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Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Denman Surname Origin Mystery: Danish Viking, or Norman?

http://archive.org/stream/normanpeopleand00unkngoog/normanpeopleand00unkngoog_djvu.txt
http://books.google.com/books?id=TVMBAAAAQAAJ&oe=UTF-8

"The Norman People and Their Existing Descendants in the British Dominions and the United States of America", c1874 by Sir Matthew Hale, published by Henry S. King & Co., 65 Cornhill & 12 Pasternoster Row, London.

Ok, researching our family history has been quite a journey filled with many surprises and more questions than answers... Nevertheless, I can't get enough of it!  Most Denmans assume that the name is Danish-English, since it seems to trace back to shortly after the Viking invasions AND because the coat of arms always contains a Raven, the national symbol of Denmark.  It even seems to have linguistic correlations (I'd figured it meant, "The Man", in Old or Middle English; just as Denmark means "The Borderland", etc., in the same language)... But, this new find complicates matters quite a lot, giving me yet more puzzles to untangle while I pull my hair out.

"PREFACE".... "It is the aim of the following pages to apply genealogy to the illustration of English ethnology.  The former branch of knowledge has been supposed to lie exclusively within the domain of the antiquary; but a closer examination will, it is thought, show that the scientific observer, and the historian also, may find in it classes of facts which are not beneath their notice and investigation.

If by placing genealogy on a critical and historical basis and applying it to ethnology, we should be enabled to prove the fallacy of some generally received maxims as to the composition of the English nation -- to show that the Norman settlement at the Conquest consisted of something more than a slight infusion of a foreign element -- that it involved the addition of a numerous and mighty people, equally probably a moiety of the conquered population -- that the people thus introduced has continued to exist without merger or absorption in any other race -- that, as a race, it is as distinguishable now as it was a thousand years since, and that at this hour its descendants may be counted by tens of millions in this country and in the United States of America; if this be so, then it will  be admitted that English ethnology is not uninterested in the progress of critical English genealogy -- that it may find there a hitherto neglected series of facts, of incalculable value to English and even to foreign ethnology.

"If, in addition to this, it be possible to show on historical grounds, that the earlier Northman or Danish immigration had seated in England a people scarcely inferior in number to the Anglo-Saxons; and, in the absence of all evidence to the contrary, to infer by a process of ananlogical reasoning from the case of the Normans, that this Danish race also has continued to exist up to the present moment, increasing in like ratio with them and the Anglo-Saxons; and that it consequently now rivals each of them in point of numbers; if this be so, history, which at present usually contemplates ancient events in England exclusively from the Anglo-Saxon point of view, and under the influence of Anglo-Saxon feeling, will acquire greater breadth and impartiality, and will extend to the Scandinavian ancestors of a majority of the English and American people that equitable judgment and that filial interest which are now reserved for the Anglo-Saxon ancestors of a minority.
 
"Such are some of the results which may be anticipated from the application of historical genealogy to ethnology, in which this work is a first essay.
 
"The genealogy of the Norman race leads up to its connexion with the Danish and the Anglo-Saxon, which, with it, form the three great constituents of the English nation.  To trace that connexion it has been found necessary to enter on the relationship between the Gothic and Teutonic races, which, as far as the author is aware, has not as yet been treated systematically by English writers.  It is hoped, however, that the views here enunciated will be found to harmonise generally with those entertained by the most enlightened enquirers.
 
"The later Scandinavian or Norman immigration into England has formed the subject of the following pages; the earlier Scandinavian or Danish has been very slightly noticed in connexion with it.  The extent and difficulty of the latter subject have induced the author to reserve its further consideration for another work... 1874."

CONTENTS... ADDITIONAL NOTES... I On the Nomenclature of Races... II On the Extent of the Danish Dominion in 879... III On the Family of Hastwgs

CHAPTER I Discovery of the Descendants of the Norman Nobility in England
CHAPTER II Discovery of the Descendants of the Norman Commonalty in England
CHAPTER III Criticism of Family History
CHAPTER IV Constructive Principles of this Work
CHAPTER V National Character of the Norman Settlement in England
CHAPTER VI The Danish Settlement in England
CHAPTER VII Gothic Origin of the Normans, Danes, and Anglo-Saxons; Present Diffusion and Numbers of the Gothic Race

Alphabetical Series of existing Norman Names and Families Taken from the London Post Office Directory:

APPENDIX

Norman Names from AA to ALL taken from the Official Lists at Somerset House

INDEX OF MEDIEVAL Surnames in this work

p224: "DENMAN: or Plochet, a foreign name still to be met in France [[note, I've seen this name recently; it's the name of a French author of a scientific paper I saw just after I found this information... my life is full of both irony and synchronicity, I don't know how much more I can take of it, really]].  Hugh Pluchet, Ploquet, or Pluket [[and other variant spellings]], t. Henry II. [[1154-1189]], witnessed a charter for the priory of Holy Trinity, London.  In the wars of Henry III [[1216-1272]] the estates of Geoffry de Dunham, Notts, were confiscated.  William de Denum occurs, t. Edward III [[1327-1377]].  About 1430 Robert Denham was of Notts, And was grandfather of Sir John D[[enham or enman]] of Kirklington (Surtee Society, vol. xii).

"The name of Denham changed to Denman, the arms of both names being the same.  From this family descended the Denmans of Notts, ancestors of the great Lord Denman, Chief Justice."

I gather from this, that a man named Hugh Pluchet first came with his family to London from Normandy and one of his descendants (Rad Plucket) was subsequently granted Dunham, Notts; then the family later became known as the Denmans, along with other variant spellings.   ???!!!   This is news to me, although it confirms my suspicions that the name had been changed somehow throughout the family's history.   I'm rather stunned and yet excited, all at once, lol.

Dunham on Trent is nearby Retford, so it makes perfect sense; but now I need to research the history of Dunham.  I also need to learn more about the Normans and Goths, I suppose, and this book might be the best place to start my latest adventure.

Viking Invasions of England (Wikipedia):

According to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, Viking raiders struck England in 793 and raided Lindisfarne, the monastery that held Saint Cuthbert’s relics. The raiders killed the monks and captured the valuables. This raid marks the beginning of the "Viking Age of Invasion", made possible by the Viking longship. There was great but sporadic violence from the last decade of the 8th century on England’s northern and western shores: Viking raids continued on a small scale across coastal England. While the initial raiding groups were small, it is believed that a great amount of planning was involved. The Norwegians raided during the winter between 840 and 841, rather the usual summer, having waited on an island off Ireland. In 850 Vikings overwintered for the first time in England, on the island of Thanet, Kent. In 854 a raiding party overwintered a second time, at the Isle of Sheppey in the Thames estuary. In 864 they reverted to Thanet for their winter encampment.
 


The Anglo-Saxon dioceses before 925. Normal diocesan life was greatly disrupted in England during the Viking Age.
 
The following year the Great Heathen Army led by the Brothers Ivar the Boneless, Halfdan and Ubbe Ragnarsson, and also by another Viking Guthrum, arrived in East Anglia. They proceeded to cross England into Northumbria and captured York, establishing the Viking community of Jorvik, where some settled as farmers and craftsmen. Most of the English kingdoms, being in turmoil, could not stand against the Vikings. In 867 Northumbria became the northern kingdom of the coalescing Danelaw, after its conquest by the brothers Halfdan Ragnarsson and Ivar the Boneless, who installed an Englishman, Ecgberht, as a puppet king. By 870 the "Great Summer Army" arrived in England, led by a Viking leader called Bagsecg and his Five Earls. Aided by the Great Heathen Army (which had already overrun much of England from its base in Jorvik), Bagsecg's forces, and Halfdan's forces (through an alliance), the combined Viking forces raided much of England until 871, when they planned an invasion of Wessex. On 8 January 871, Bagsecg was killed at the Battle of Ashdown along with his Earls. As a result, many of the Vikings returned to northern England, where Jorvic had become the centre of the Viking kingdom but Alfred of Wessex managed to keep them out of his country. Alfred and his successors continued to drive back the Viking frontier and take York.
A new wave of Norwegian Vikings appeared in England in 947 when Erik Bloodaxe captured York. The Viking presence continued throughout the reign of the Danish King Cnut the Great (1016–1035), after which a series of inheritance arguments weakened power of his descendants. By 1012, the Vikings were in service in England as Thingmen, a personal bodyguard to the King of England. They were offered payment, the Danegeld, which lasted from 1012 to 1066 and stopped Viking raids for almost twenty years. The Viking presence dwindled until 1066, when the invading Norsemen lost their final battle with the English at Stamford Bridge. Nineteen days later the Normans, themselves descended from Norsemen, invaded England and defeated the weakened English army at the Battle of Hastings.

Norman Conquest of Wales:  1060's-1163
Norman Conquest of England:  1066=1071
Norman Conquest of Ireland: 1169-1203

Scandinavian Invasion of Normandy:  800's

So, Scandinavia invaded both England and Normandy first, then Normandy later invaded the British in their attempt to build their own empire.

Dunham is just a tiny little village, less than 400 population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunham-on-Trent,_Nottinghamshire
http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/articles/tts/tts1921/dunham1.htm

"SEVERAL suggestions have been made with regard to the derivation of the name Dunham. The most probable is that the first syllable is a personal name Dun (a), the termination "ham" being the Old English for "homestead" or "village," therefore meaning "the homestead of Dun." Or it may be from "dun " (Old English) "a hill," so that the name may mean "the village on the hill." However one is inclined to believe that the chief part of the village has always been, as it is now, on the level."

"During the reign of King John (1199-1216) frequent mention is made of Dunham. He made a State visit here on May 21st, 1207. He was wont to travel about the country with the Judge of Assize, and in his wanderings he was accompanied by huntsmen and all the paraphernalia of the chase. His Court constantly travelled between thirty and forty miles per day, and on particular occasions the King travelled a distance of fifty miles. In one year he changed his residence 150 times, visiting religious houses and his castles and manors, in some cases consuming the rents due to the Crown, and thus impoverishing the country by the rapacity of his purveyors. Two orders to the Barons of the Exchequer are dated from Dunham, May 22nd. In his Itinerary several visits are recorded to Kingshaugh (in the parish of Dunham). In 1205 there were consigned to the King at Bristol forty tuns of wine, which he ordered to be sent to Nottingham, one tun of which was to be sent, probably by boat, to Dunham, which would no doubt be for use at his mansion at Kingshaugh. In 1212, Matthew, Earl of Boulogne, appears to have been made Lord of the Manor.  In 1216, Henry III., then only nine years of age, gave land to Rad Plucket, 'who gave to the monks of Rufford [[probably Retford]], for the souls of his father and mother and ancestors, one toft in Dunham, on the south part of the town, contiguous to the Gyldehouse, four perches long, and as many broad, and the said monks were not to receive any more land in that town, but by the favour and goodwill of himself and his heirs; the witnesses were Gilbert de Archis, Swain de Hoiland, Robert de Draiton, William de Draiton, Richard de Laxton, Thomas, Clerk of Headon.' (Thoroton).  It is evident that in those days Dunham was a place of some importance."

So there's the name Plucket again, in connection with both Dunham and Retford.  Hmm.  And I suppose Dunham was valued as a river port in those times when much cargo was hauled by boats.  But, I take it that Plucket wasn't Lord of the Manor house in Dunham -- so I fail to see how we ended up with the surname.  Except that our ancestors apparently owned land there.  The Earl of Boulogne was the Lord of the Manor, so his surname would have been Boulogne, I suppose.  Both names are French...

UPDATE:  I've been reading Bryan Sykes' books, "Saxons, Vikings, and Celts", and "DNA USA"... Although I don't agree with him 100 percent on a lot of things, and I deeply resent his falling into the trap of stereotyping Native Americans, I think he deserves credit for pointing out the fact that "European" DNA has been present in the Northern Native American population for at least "10,000 years" -- and, I can't help but love his irrepressible British sense of humor:

"Normans... are just recycled Vikings..."  LMAO!  Seriously though, that makes the Raven symbol on our coat of arms more logical.  I'm not conceding yet, however, on the origin and meaning of the family surname; at least not until I look into it a bit further.  But I do consider this latest information very important and intriguing, anyway.

(What I really mean, is that I resent being stereotyped; I obviously don't fit the usual stereotypes for Native Americans -- yet, I don't believe that fact makes me any less "Indian".  Overall, I found DNA USA to be a 'keeper'; I really would like to get a copy of my own, for reference.)


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Ok, so I decided to look for other French surnames in our family, all direct lineages (Basset, Montpesson, Montgomery, Gerneaux, Maestereaux, de Xavier, Vernon, Clark):
 
Mopsey, perhaps for Mumpesson or Montpinson, from M[[ontpesson?]]. near Evreux, a baronial family.  Ralph de Montpinson was Dapifer to William the Conqueror (Ord. Vit.)  He witnessed a charter in Normandy 1074 (Gall. Christ, xi. 66), and granted lands to St. Evroidt Abbey.  His son Hugh, who m. a dau. of Hugh de Grantmesnil, and his grandson Ralph, are mentioned by Ordericus.  Philip de M[[ontpesson?]] witnessed 1132 the foundation Charter of Fountains Abbey, York (Mon. v. 306, 307, New Ed.).  The family appears afterwards in Lincoln, Essex, Hertford, Norfolk, Notts[?], and in 1166 the barony of Montpinsun, Normandy consisted of fifteen knights* fees (Feod. Norm. Duchesne.).  Our connection with the Montpessons occurred in 16th century England.  Judith Stoughton's mother, Katherine, I believe.
 
Montgomery or Montgomeri:  Amulph, Hugh, Roger de Monte Goumeril, Normandy 1198 (MRS); Ralph, Robert, Bartholomew, Arnulph, Roger, Hugh de Montgommeri, 1180-95 (Ib.).  These were branches of the house of Montgomeri near Alencon, Earls of Arundel and Salop, of which several branches remained in England and Scotland.  Hence the Earls of Eglinton.

Our connection with the Montgomerys occurred in America in the 19th century, via Rachael Perry Montgomery, my ggg-grandmother.

Basset:  from its ancestor Bathet, or Baset, Duke of the Normans of the Loire 895, 905 (Bouquet, viL 360 J viii. 817).  He acquired Ouilly Basset, and Normanville in 912, and had issue Norman, father of Osmond, Viscount of Vernon, c. 960, whose elder son, Hugh Basset, was Baron of Chateau Basset, held from the Abbey of St. Denis, t. Hugh Capet, which barony passed by his widow to the house of Montmorency, c. 990.  His brother, Fulco De Alneto, was father of 1- Osmond; 2- Robert D'Ouilly, ancestor of the Doyleys; 3- William de Lisures, ancestor of the house of Lisores; 4- Fulco or Fulcelin D'Alnet, ancestor of the Dawnats.  Osmond Basset accompanied the Conqueror 1066, and had issue: 1- Hugh Fitz-Osmond, ancestor of the family of Nobmamville, and Basset of Normandy; 2- Norman, Sire de Montrevel, d. s. p.; 3- Anchetil Fitz-Osmond, ancestor of the Palmers; 4- Ralph Fitz-Osmond, ancestor of the Lords Bassets of Drayton, &c.; 5- Richard Basset, ancestor of the Bassets of Devon; 6- William, ancestor of the Bassets of Essex and Wales.

"Those names are strangely suggestive to one who is familiar with English history.  Their present position tells of strange revolutions in past times.  Those names seem to assort but ill with their present places.  They once belonged to the mighty nobles and chiefs who conquered England, and whose descendants were renowned in Palestine and France.  Those names are now borne by the merchant, the shop-keeper, the artisan, the labourer...

"Whence come these memorials of the eleventh century, these resurrections of what was once so famous in history, these names of the past, formerly surrounded by all the attributes of splendour, and power, and chivalry, and almost kingly dominion?  Are we to suppose those names to be mere impostures, fraudulent assumptions, forgeries?  Or are they not, rather, silent witnesses of the vast changes which time introduces into society?  It was not the custom in England to change hereditary surnames without necessity, and from mere fancy or caprice.  Nor is there any record in England of the system of clan names by which in Scotland and Ireland the adherents of the patriarchal chieftains distinguished themselves.  Clans did not exist in this country, and the adherents of the barons did not adopt the names of their feudal suzerains.  The surnames of England have descended lineally in families from remote ages; and those which are found in the middle and lower classes, and which originally belonged to illustrious houses, are, with very few exceptions, beyond doubt genuine.  The writer expresses this opinion after careful and lengthened inquiry, and is entirely satisfied that these names have not been adopted in modern times; for the families from which they are derived have been so long forgotten that nothing would have been gained by the assumption of their names.  And besides this, a person who wished to obtain the credit of belonging to one of those ancient stocks would at least have been careful, in adopting the name, to preserve its correct orthography; whereas the mass of these old names occur in corrupt forms, and under every conceivable variation of spelling, which clearly indicates the undesigned nature of the changes themselves, and the remoteness of an origin which, in the course of time, had been the source of so many variations...

"Setting aside, therefore, any objection to the genuineness of these masses of ancient names as altogether unfounded, we may consider the real causes of the position which they occupy in the middle, and even in the labouring classes...

"The decadence of ancient and the rise of new families in England are facts which are well known, and which are evidenced by what is daily passing before our eyes.  There is a perpetual ebb and flow in the fortunes of families; and more especially has this been the case for the last three centuries and a half, when the old feudal institutions, which rendered the transfer of estates difficult, and which inpeded the creation of large rentals, have come to an end.  Landed property has long ceased to be destined to the maintenance of a great national army:  it has become an article of commerce -- has been thrown open to the monied classes -- has become capable of being treated as a source of pecuniary profit.  The ancient Norman landholder lived without the aids and appliances of modern luxury.  His grandeur consisted, not in the length of his rent-roll, the brilliancy of his equipages, or the beauty of his palaces and parks, but in the strength of his fortresses, and the numbers of armed and disciplined retainers and feudal tenants who followed his standard.  His splendour consisted in his power.  All this has long since passed away, and land, from the middle of the sixteenth century, began to fall into the position of other marketable property.  The result was that, as commercial enterprise created wealth, the old landed aristocracy was gradually replaced by new families.  If we compare the landed proprietary of any one country in the present day with the lists of its gentry in the reign of Elizabeth, it would seem at first sight as if the whole of the old proprietary had died out.  Rare indeed are the cases in which the same estates have descended in the same name for three centuries.  Mr. Shirley, in his interesting work on the "Gentle and Noble" families of England who have held their estates from a.d. 1500 and previously, is unable to enumerate more than about four hundred altogether, including peers, baronets, and landed gentry -- a mere insignificanct fraction of the landowners of England.  The mass of the old proprietors have either died out or transferred their estates by heiresses to new families; or they have migrated to other parts of England, to Ireland, to Scotland, or to the colonies.  Numbers have taken up their abode in America, and their descendants remain there at the present day.  They have in the majority of cases ceased to be possessed of landed property, and have engaged in commercial or industrial employments.  In former ages, as now, professions and trade were frequently the resource of the younger sons of good families, for the family estate passing to the elder son, the junior branches had to seek their own fortunes.  Nor were their undertakings always fortunate:  branches of aristocratic families gradually fell lower in the world, and became impoverished.  The leading branches of these families, whose importance in some degree upheld the position of these remote kinsmen, gradually died out; the estates passed away by heiresses to new families, or were lost by extravagance, misfortunes, and embarassments; the old names were forgotten by the world; the scions of these ancient families fell lower and lower, till, in some cases, at length nothing remained to them except family names, of whose ancient importance they were no longer conscious.  All traces of their descent had been lost and obliterated; and when rising once more to renewed prosperity, after the lapse of ages, they rose as new families, without [known] antecedents and without [recognized] ancestry.

"Such have been the variations of society in England, where notwithstanding an imparalleled stability of institutions, everything is, like the ocean, in a state of perpetual flux and reflux, the old disappearing before the new, and the new superseded in its turn by the old -- the nobility, the gentry, the middle classes, and the lower, gradually changing places, and gradually resuming their original positions.  In a few generations the noble families of the present will have descended to the ranks of the gentry or the commercial community.  The tradesmen of today will be the forefathers of the peers of tomorrow; and we perhaps ourselves have tenants or servants whose blood may be better than our own.

"The author had at various times been struch by finding such names as Percy, Mortimer, Basset, Pont, Fitzwater, amongst the middle and lower classes, but he had not given any particular attention to the fact, or attempted to found any inferences upon it.  He had also been led by curiosity from time to time to turn to the Post Office Directory of London, as containing the largest printed list of English surnames, with a view to ascertain whether some of the Norman surnames which are to be found in the ancient records were still in existence, and he had occasionally discovered them there.  These casual and transient references conveyed a very imperfect notion of the amount of information actually comprised in that vast repository of surnames."

My paternal grandmother, Lillie Yarbrough Denman (later, Armstrong), told me that Basset is a family name; however, I never got the chance to ask her how it relates to us.  I would assume that it might have been her mother's maiden name, though.

Vernon: "Vemon, a Norman baronial name.  William, Richard, Garvin, Ralph, de Vernon, Normandy 1180-95 (MRS).  Roger was Baron of Vernon c. 1030, about which time his dau. Blithiidis was married.  She in 1082 granted to Trinity, Caen, the lands at Vernon given to her by her father Roger.  The grant was made with consent of William, her nephew, then Lord of Vernon (QaU. Christ, xi. 70, Instr.).  This William recovered Vernon (which had been granted to Count Guy of Burgundy) j and from him descended the Barons of Vernon, who held sixty-one knights' fees in barony; and of whom William de V[ernon] founded the Collegiate Church at Vernon in 1160 (GalL. Christ xi. 583).  William L. had several brothers who came to England 1066, viz., 1- Richard; 2- 432..."

Vernon Winters Denman was my paternal grandfather; and his mother is known to me only as Lillie V... So I think it's quite possible that his given name was her maiden name, since children were often named in that manner in those times.  Of course, I would love to verify that fact, but haven't yet gotten access to the records which would do so.  Mainly, I just want to know who she was and what her maiden name really was.  "Lillie V." is all that is on her gravestone.

Clark:  "This name includes persons of many different families.  Some of these are Norman; at least the name frequently appears in the Duchy.  Robert, Odo, Huard, Osbert, Philip, Richard, Branda Clericus, or Le Clerc, occur 1180-1195 (Mag. Rot Scac.).  Twenty of the name occur 1198 (Ib.); of these, nine also occur in England 1199; and the families of the name generally seem to have had members in both countries.

We are Clarks, via the marriage of John Sevier's eldest daughter, Elizabeth Hawkins Sevier, to William Clark.  Like her father, her husband was an officer in the American Revolution and was I believe a state supreme court judge for Tennessee.  Their daughter, Elizabeth Clark, married John Elston.  The Elstons' daughter, Neaty, married Blake Denman; and our direct ancestor was their son, William C. Denman (Vernon Denman's grandfather).

I couldn't find anything in this book on the other three (all of which were Huguenots, by the way -- Xavier is presumably Basque although some Melungeons descended from John Sevier claim that the family patriarch, Don Juan de Xavier, was a Sephardic Jew -- I doubt it very much), and the other two are presumably Flemish or Germanic.

The de Xavier family of Spain, from which John Sevier descended, was at one time Catholic (St. Francis Xavier was an uncle of John Sevier, so also my uncle n times removed).  They are described in historical accounts, as Basques.  St. Francis Xavier was the heir of Castle Navarre, due to the fact that the castle belonged to his mother, and he was a younger son.  And not long after their castle (which was their home) at Navarre was deeded over to the Jesuits (the Saint was a close friend and associate of Ignatius de Loyola), the family renounced Catholicism and became Huguenot Protestants.

Afterwards, during some civil warfare between the Basques and the Spanish, and also during the time of the Catholic Inquisitions, the family fled Spain for France, thereby becoming 'French Huguenots' at that time.  A town in France is rumored to have been named for the Xavier family.  However, France later joined Spain in becoming one of the worst persecutors of Huguenots, forcing the family (whose patriarch at the time was known as don Juan de Xavier) to flee again, this time to London, England.  There, the spelling of the name was changed to "Sevier".  It was from London that our Sevier ancestor (John Sevier's father or grandfather, both named "Valentine") sailed as a young boy to Baltimore, Maryland; and that's how that particular branch of the Sevier family became American.

My point in this long narrative about the Sevier family history, is that I don't find any real connection to Sephardic Judaism, although if shown clear evidence of it, I wouldn't deny it.  Nevertheless, the point remains that the Seviers / de Xaviers were probably not of Norman stock, since they were probably Basques originally from Spain.  On the other hand, genetically speaking, I've heard that there was most likely an ancient relationship of some sort, between the Basques, Celts and Vikings.

Others of our family names found in Sir Hale's book:  Ellis, Maris, Hawkins, Littleton, Lyon (Lyon being the only one here, for which I haven't yet established a definite, specific link to our family tree -- I only have very good reason to believe that we're related, however closely or distantly).

... The author, Sir Matthew Hale, states that the English are not truly Teutonic or Low German; nor are Scandinavians, Anglo-Saxons or Goths.  He claims that both the English and the Teutons are descended from the aboriginal Getae, which he claims is the greatest of the tribes of Japhet.  Of course, I believe European descent from Japheth is a lie; I'm convinced that Caucasoids are descended from Shem, and that Mongoloids are descended from Japheth.  I believe the Jews switched the two around in their legends and myths, in order to establish themselves as the "chosen" people of God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae
(Herodotus proclaimed them the "noblest and most just" of all the Thracian tribes.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_romaniagetae.htm
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/06/eshg-2012-abstracts.html
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08/proto-indo-european-homeland-in.html

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/
http://www.archives.gov/research/search/

http://www.searchforancestors.com/utility/

http://www.denmandna.com/news/

http://www.historyhome.co.uk/primary.htm

http://archive.org/stream/ahistorynotting01browgoog#page/n6/mode/2up

http://books.google.com/books?id=q8c9AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA485&lpg=PA485&dq=the+history+of+the+old+hall+of+the+manor+of+west+retford&source=bl&ots=THeRojMdfd&sig=CJhIKgnDYiDtxksfxHBh9COwv9A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zi73UKSjHfC42QW5-4DgDg&sqi=2&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false
Volume II

http://www.denmandna.com/origin-theory/

http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/books/westretfordmanor1908/titlepage.htm

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/01/genomic-history-of-denmark.html

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DSwAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=fulco+de+alneto&source=bl&ots=Swk04sYvvg&sig=Qy-DDfiDMkto6JtI1vkSgy0Qb_c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-wkHUaShNeOYyAHL7oHABw&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=fulco%20de%20alneto&f=false
Wow, I love old books.

(You know, I really wish the Satanic Trolls would all go straight to Hell, right NOW.)

http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Queens/history/newtown.html
http://longislandgenealogy.com/NewtownPresb.pdf

If you google Newtown, Long Island, an amazing amount of information shows up.  In the Presbyterian Church records, I found the marriage of my ancestors, Daniel Denman and Deborah Scudder:  March 22, 1761.  Daniel's home is listed as Elizabethtown, New Jersey; proving that the family maintained social ties with their former 'hood, Newtown.  Of course, the Scudders were tightly connected to the Denman family while living in Long Island -- even back when it was still New Netherlands.

Strangely, Deborah Scudder is listed in the Newtown Deaths records as a widow, on December 23, 1769.  Now, I'm really confused.  If that is accurate, it would mean that Daniel never went to Georgia with his brother John and son, James for the Revolution.  It also would mean that Daniel was a fairly young man, and that James a small child, when he died.  It should also mean that there ought to be a record of his death in Elizabethtown, NJ, or vicinity -- between the years of 1761 and 1769.  But, I also heard a rumor that Deborah remarried after Daniel's death, to his brother, Phillip Denman, relocating to Connecticut.  If she was a widow at time of her death, and if she really died in 1769, then she must have been twice-widowed and left some small children behind to be raised by whom?  I'm very confused, yet this sort of explains all of the haziness around my ancestors, Daniel and Deborah:  it appears that both of them might have died very young.

http://www.one-name.org/profiles/denman.html

http://archive.org/stream/peerageforpeopl00carpgoog#page/n268/mode/2up
Peerage for the People, from the Harvard College Collection, a catalog of biographies of the Aristocracy, has a very large section on the Denman house.  Also, I notice with interest a certain house of "Plunket" -- could they be somehow related to us?











 


2 comments:

  1. I'm a Denman and find this fascinating, thank you for sharing!

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    1. You're quite welcome, and thank you for commenting.

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